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good respose re: Christmas tree for young children
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Alexandra J Schmidt
2003-11-24 15:04:19 UTC
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My oldest sons are 3 and 5. There is a tiny Christmas tree in
their family day care. (I have no problem with this; it is a
private home and frankly I think it's nice for them to see and
enjoy a tree up close without it being an object of great mystery.
Most of their close friends are Jewish so they rarely see one
in a friend's house.)

The other day my big boy said to me--I suspect rather out of curiosity
to see what I'd say--"Next year me and <brother> are going to have
a Christmas tree." I smiled and said, "Don't think so, hon, they
are not a Jewish thing." He said, "Some Jewish people have
Christmas trees."

I kind of let it go (said, "Not gonna happen, my dear") and that was
the end of the discussion. However, I could see the possibility
for a more involved conversation. I'm not sure where his comment
about "some Jewish people" came from--my guess is that he made it up,
as 5-year-olds do, since none of our Jewish friends have trees.
However, though he doesn't know it yet, his cousin's growing up in a
home with a tree (my brother's intermarried but on the other coast).
And there certainly are Jews, or kids with one Jewish parent, living
in homes with trees. So had he pushed the conversation, it might
have been a challenge to come up with a very age-appropriate explanation.

Things you tell young kids have a way of being relayed, and simple
explanations are best. So, saying, "having a Christmas tree if you're
Jewish really trivializes someone else's religion and doesn't take
your own very seriously either"* is not an answer that I think can
be very easily parsed. And an answer like "it's not a very knowledgeable
or good Jewish thing to do"* might result in his informing some kid
(or his cousin) that "you're not a good Jew". (I'd hope he'd be more
sensitive and mannerly than that but even good 5-year-olds slip.)

With regard specifically to mixed-marriage homes, I've always felt
that if the non-Jewish partner wants a tree there's no RELIGIOUS
reason he/she shouldn't have one--arguments against having one are
more a matter of the internal dynamics of the marriage, which are not
my or my child's business apart from observing that if it's a problem,
the couple should have addressed it BEFORE choosing to marry. But we
all know there are homes inhabited only by Jews that do have trees,
and sooner or later my child's going to meet one. And there are
certainly intermarried homes with halachically-Jewish kids who are
very into Christmas.

This is a prickly topic, no pun intended, and I hope my sentiments
marked with *'s give no offense. They do, however, reflect my
values and opinions, and I hope that like-minded parents with more
experience might have some useful perspective to share.

. . .Alexandra



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Robyn Kozierok
2003-11-24 16:48:54 UTC
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Post by Alexandra J Schmidt
Things you tell young kids have a way of being relayed, and simple
explanations are best. So, saying, "having a Christmas tree if you're
Jewish really trivializes someone else's religion and doesn't take
your own very seriously either"* is not an answer that I think can
be very easily parsed. And an answer like "it's not a very knowledgeable
or good Jewish thing to do"* might result in his informing some kid
(or his cousin) that "you're not a good Jew". (I'd hope he'd be more
sensitive and mannerly than that but even good 5-year-olds slip.)
While this is a Jewish example, I think the overarching issue is a
basic parenting issue that is not limited to Jewish parents -- how to
pass on one's values in a way that clearly expresses what you want
to pass on to your children without disparaging other families who
believe and behave differently. It is never an easy question.

I don't have a quick or easy answer for you, but I think the basic
approach is to express what you believe, but also to express that
not everyone agrees with you, and that they can still be good people
(assuming that is the case for the particular value you are teaching).
I don't think you have to say that someone can have a Xmas tree and
still be a good Jew if that is not what you believe, but you might say
that someone can have a Xmas tree and still be a good Jew *in other
ways*. You might explain that some people don't realize and/or don't
agree with your assessment that "having a Christmas tree if you're
Jewish really trivializes someone else's religion and doesn't take
your own very seriously either" while still expressing to your child
that that is what you believe (and I happen to agree, fwiw) and why.

Good luck!

--Robyn (mommy to Ryan 9/93 and Matthew 6/96 and Evan 3/01)




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Splanche
2003-11-24 19:45:19 UTC
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Post by Alexandra J Schmidt
This is a prickly topic, no pun intended, and I hope my sentiments
marked with *'s give no offense. They do, however, reflect my values
and opinions, and I hope that like-minded parents with more experience
might have some useful perspective to share.
Your 5yr old is getting close to an age where some of this stuff can be
more easily understood.... In their circle of friends and relatives, are
they aware of differences in observence of Kashrut? Maybe you can
explain it the same way...some Jewish people keep totally kosher, some
keep kosher homes but eat treif out, some don't keep kosher at all...
but they are all still jewish...or some are Shomer Shabbos and some
don't celebrate shabbat. Some jewish people may have Christmas trees the
same way some jews don't mind eating pork... it's all a matter of you
you're taught when you grow up, and what's important to you.


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lynn
2003-11-27 14:31:28 UTC
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I would just say "That's not what we do." If pressed, I would say that
every family decides what they are going to do in their home, and this
is what we have decided to do." I mean, we have lots of rules that are
different from other houses. Some people watch TV while they eat dinner.

Different houses, different rules, is something that comes up all the
time, not just for Jewishness.

And I'd deflect it too. "It's fun to look at other people's trees, isn't

it? Tell me about the tree you have at day care."

Hope this helps. My DS isn't old enough to ask yet, but it'll happen
soon I'm sure.

- Lynn


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Robyn Kozierok
2003-11-27 15:33:10 UTC
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Post by lynn
I would just say "That's not what we do." If pressed, I would say that
every family decides what they are going to do in their home, and this
is what we have decided to do." I mean, we have lots of rules that are
different from other houses. Some people watch TV while they eat dinner.
Different houses, different rules, is something that comes up all the
time, not just for Jewishness.
I disagree with this somewhat. If you have a rule that is based on a
value you want to pass on to your children, you should explain your
value and how it impacts the rule. I wouldn't use say "we don't do
that" in this case -- I would explain why so my children would understand
the reason why we don't have a decorated tree in December and not just
think of it as an arbitrary rule mom and dad thought up.
Post by lynn
And I'd deflect it too. "It's fun to look at other people's trees, isn't
it? Tell me about the tree you have at day care."
I agree that this is a good approach.

--Robyn


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